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    Woolich and "Injector Balance Map/s" - what this basically means?
    on: August 08, 2022, 07:04:56 pm
    August 08, 2022, 07:04:56 pm
    Woolich Racing has a feature "Injector Balance Map/s", which should give more power but how this works in practice - just selecting this feature or something else ?

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    Re: Woolich and "Injector Balance Map/s" - what this basically means?
    Reply #1 on: August 08, 2022, 11:51:23 pm
    August 08, 2022, 11:51:23 pm
    https://www.woolichracing.com/SupportCenter/Item/40/what-is-the-injector-balance-map.aspx

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    Maybe someone who uses the software can tell you, but based on answers on their website, it sounds like the map only provides you with an editable table and it is up to the tuner to configure it.
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    Re: Woolich and "Injector Balance Map/s" - what this basically means?
    Reply #2 on: August 09, 2022, 06:04:41 pm
    August 09, 2022, 06:04:41 pm
    I would consider this advance tuning when you upgrade injectors.
    If you check this map in the software, you will see the "main"/lower injectors are providing most of the fueling.
    It is only at high revs that the upper injectors are involved and no more than 50/50 at top.

    From the little tuning I have done so far, and the results documented by several dyno runs, I would say the stock fueling is capable of big HP numbers. If only fueling was a concern  :002:

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    Re: Woolich and "Injector Balance Map/s" - what this basically means?
    Reply #3 on: August 09, 2022, 06:44:22 pm
    August 09, 2022, 06:44:22 pm
    I'm just wondering that when in Bren Tuning stage 2 has mentioned "More power found through injector balancing and throttle based fixes".
    So probably it is possible to get more power also by feature "Injector Balance Map/s" in Woolich ?

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    Re: Woolich and "Injector Balance Map/s" - what this basically means?
    Reply #4 on: August 09, 2022, 09:11:51 pm
    August 09, 2022, 09:11:51 pm
    *Originally Posted by attitude [+]
    I'm just wondering that when in Bren Tuning stage 2 has mentioned "More power found through injector balancing and throttle based fixes".
    So probably it is possible to get more power also by feature "Injector Balance Map/s" in Woolich ?

    Both Bren Tuning and SLR-Tuning are experienced tuners and have most likely experimented with this on many bikes.
    How they do this and what they have done with timing advance to get those big numbers are secrets of the trade  :002:

    That said, I follow Chris More/More Mafia on his Youtube channel.
    He will not tune the Z H2 for big numbers as he consider this not safe.
    I tend to agree.

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    Re: Woolich and "Injector Balance Map/s" - what this basically means?
    Reply #5 on: August 10, 2022, 10:37:50 am
    August 10, 2022, 10:37:50 am
    Chris Moore is particularly careful with adding timing to the ZH2, despite the significant power gains the dyno chart would show.

    Maybe he knows of engine failures that have not been widely publicised.
    Cheers,

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    Re: Woolich and "Injector Balance Map/s" - what this basically means?
    Reply #6 on: August 10, 2022, 01:59:29 pm
    August 10, 2022, 01:59:29 pm
    Timing is the silent killer on this engine with its high CR. You can’t tune this engine properly without proper load. Ideally you’ll also have an external knock monitor tool.  Without a load dyno you will easily push the timing to a point that is unsafe. Yes the bike has a knock sensor… that is not a substitute for a proper timing map or air temp adder table. The knock sensor should be last resort to address knock.

    All of those plugs on the forums with melted ground straps had improper tunes.
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    Re: Woolich and "Injector Balance Map/s" - what this basically means?
    Reply #7 on: August 23, 2022, 02:51:44 am
    August 23, 2022, 02:51:44 am
    I've been doing some snooping in the BIN files for Z H2 provided with Woolich tuning setup.

    Look through the files for different ECU models on the Z H2 before flashing anything to the bike, there are inconsistencies between BIN files for different markets, and I don't mean the expected regional changes. I have a ticket in to get them corrected.

    In particular, if using any ECU that doesn't end in 1626 part number, compare your ignition and ETV tables to 1626. Only 1626 seems to be correct as the US ignition tables have weird static values over too large an area.

    1626 has upper/lower injector selection under fuel map area, US bin files have lower injectors in the fuel map area and upper injectors in the IAP/TPS table in the Other Tables area but they're not labeled as such, I identified them by comparing the 1626 file.

    Injector balance is the transition values between upper and lower injectors, I'm sure each tuner has their own strategy on transition point and values but the ultimate output difference will be small.




     



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